New Empire

Mar. 31st, 2008 03:05 pm
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Suspeneding disbelief for a moment, let us imagine that the Roman Empire is about to be restored tomorrow on a world-wide bases. Who would you like to see as the Emperor (other than yourself)? If there is any interst in the topic, I will post a couple of suggestions in the replies

Date: 2008-03-31 08:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mercyorbemoaned.livejournal.com
Lee Kuan Yew, obviously.

Date: 2008-04-01 12:05 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] malkhos.livejournal.com
An interesting choice that would not have occured to me.

Date: 2008-04-01 12:41 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tadziu.livejournal.com
Living politicians? Yes. I concur.

Date: 2008-03-31 08:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jermynsavile.livejournal.com
No danger of my nominating myself. I would hate to be emperor, all those meetings with dreadful politician/administrator types, it sounds far too much like my life already.

Alive or dead? If dead, there are a few I'd pick from the list of original emperors who might enjoy the job. If alive, then it would have to be someone who didn't want it (all those that would are far far too dangerous to contemplate).

Date: 2008-03-31 08:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] leopold-paula-b.livejournal.com
Umberto Eco's secretary.

Date: 2008-03-31 08:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] leopold-paula-b.livejournal.com
(Under Eco's supervision.)

Date: 2008-03-31 10:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] leopold-paula-b.livejournal.com
Because the Word is more important than the World.

Date: 2008-03-31 11:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] malkhos.livejournal.com
I completely agree with you!

Date: 2008-03-31 11:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] malkhos.livejournal.com
This is odd even by our standards

Date: 2008-03-31 08:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] madwriter.livejournal.com
John Scalzi.
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Date: 2008-03-31 11:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] malkhos.livejournal.com
He would go under the category, 'someone like the Dahli lama). Not a bad choice.

Date: 2008-04-01 01:01 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mercyorbemoaned.livejournal.com
I was just coming back to suggest the Dalai Lama! He understands the media.

Date: 2008-03-31 10:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mercyorbemoaned.livejournal.com
Nursultan Nazarbayev would probably do a good job too. Not as good as LKY though!

What about the sitting emperors?

Date: 2008-03-31 10:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sophia-sadek.livejournal.com
Do you mean to say that B16 and George Jr. aren't good enough in their roles as Roman emperors?

Date: 2008-03-31 11:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] petrusplancius.livejournal.com
If a dead candidate is permitted, may I suggest Benjamin Disraeli; he would enjoy it enormously, and would have too great a sense of irony to do any great harm. A clever fellow too. In real life he was only able to enjoy the vicarious pleasure of making his monarch an Empress.

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Date: 2008-03-31 11:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] malkhos.livejournal.com
I'd prefer Churchill in that case. But I think D'Israeli wouldn't be dvisive.

Date: 2008-03-31 11:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] malkhos.livejournal.com
This is a greater response than I would have imagined. Thanks to every one who has posted so far. I am glad to see to see that no one wanted prominent conventional politicians.

I am afraid I am going to cheat and make four nominations for the tetrarchic sysytem of late antiquity.

For the two Augusti or senior Emperors I would think two people like the Dahli Lama and Benedict XVI (Josef Ratzinger). They are both idelaistic and would balance each other ideologically. Obviosuly I am limiting my choices to Politiclaly credible figures that have some kind of public profile.

For the two Caesares or assistants / designated heirs, Prince Charles and Akihito.

No candidates would be perfect. I can readily find fault even with my own candidates. Charles and Benedict, for instance, seem to have a basic distrust of science. But you can't have everything.

If the two Augusti were, for instance, Bush and Putin, it might be time to play Cato.

Date: 2008-04-01 01:02 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mercyorbemoaned.livejournal.com
Prince Charles?!?!?!?! Prince Charles can barely run his organic farms.

Date: 2008-04-01 02:03 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] malkhos.livejournal.com
Perhaps. But he has good taste, especially in architechture.

Date: 2008-04-04 10:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mercyorbemoaned.livejournal.com
He sure doesn't have good taste in women.

Date: 2008-04-05 01:27 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] malkhos.livejournal.com
You've got a point there.

Date: 2008-04-02 09:34 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] petrusplancius.livejournal.com
I like the idea of the Dalai Lama, he would be an emperor of a kind that has never be seen before; but I don't think that the Muslims (and Northern Irish protestants!) would be too happy to have a pope as their emperor, whatever his personal qualities. Not too sure about the Caesars. Among existing princes, Charles is certainly the most cultivated and original, but there is a certain crankiness and diffidence (even sense of personal inadequacy)in his character which might prevent him from becoming a satisfactory emperor.

Date: 2008-04-02 12:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] malkhos.livejournal.com
Well, we can assign Joseph I the Western hemisphere.

The beauty of the Tetrarchic system (assuming it doesn't lead to civil war as in the old days) is that the Dahli Lama could train Charles for a while, and then see how he turns out.

Date: 2008-03-31 11:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] malkhos.livejournal.com
Why, me, of course. I'd be perfect for the job. ;)

Date: 2008-04-01 12:30 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] malkhos.livejournal.com
Well, damn. I didn't follow directions. Guess I'll take myself out of the running since one can't nominate oneself.

I resign.

Date: 2008-04-02 09:40 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] petrusplancius.livejournal.com
Augustus and many other emperors of one kind or another haven't hesitated to nominate themselves, but judging by the precedents, you have to be pretty ruthless to carry it off. Do you mind wading knee-deep in blood?

Date: 2008-04-02 12:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] malkhos.livejournal.com
No, I wouldn't like wading knee deep in blood at all! I'm peaceful like flower, ha ha.

I actually wouldn't be very good in any position of power. I don't like meetings and I hate administrative work in general.

Date: 2008-04-01 12:42 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tadziu.livejournal.com
Living friend? Lupo.
Living politician? Lee Kuan Yew

Date: 2008-04-01 01:09 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mercyorbemoaned.livejournal.com
Lupo is disqualified by his refusal to his manly duty and breed.

Date: 2008-04-01 01:03 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mercyorbemoaned.livejournal.com
I linked this to get you more discussion but people stubbornly stayed at my place. (http://commonreader.livejournal.com/1120330.html)

Date: 2008-04-01 02:04 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] malkhos.livejournal.com
yes. I saw that. But thanks anyway.

Date: 2008-04-01 06:37 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] benicek.livejournal.com
Kofi Annan.

Date: 2008-04-01 07:03 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] siamhussein.livejournal.com
Marlon Brando, George S. Patton or his nemesis, Erwin Rommel, Borges, or Freddie Mercury.

Date: 2008-04-01 03:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] malkhos.livejournal.com
Actually, all of those are quite good.

Date: 2008-04-01 03:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] malkhos.livejournal.com
I wonder if a Zoriastrian would be a good choice.

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