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Date: 2007-11-11 02:02 pm (UTC)I always imagined that Modern Greece must be a horrible little place, for some reason.
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Date: 2007-11-11 02:52 pm (UTC)Oh, you needn't worry about Malkhos ever becoming interested in Christianity except in an academic fashion; this is the person who refers to Jesus as "some hippie holy man wandering around the desert along with so many others doing the same" and also, as if that weren't bad enough, refers to St. Paul as a "lunatic suffering from psychotic delusions." I'll leave my Catholic (Roman, not Orthodox) comments to myself, except to look at him skeptically when he assures me he'll be among the noble pagans at the end of time, while smirking at me.
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Date: 2007-11-11 09:48 pm (UTC)O.
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Date: 2007-11-12 09:28 am (UTC)The Greeks are keen to embrace the European Union and English is happily accepted as a second language, including on all the road signs. They are proud of their record of exporting people, especially to the USA, and the international aspect this lends to their culture. NOW, this is where I started to get a bit confused and disappointed. My Greek friends gleefully told me how many millions of their countrymen live in Chicago (or wherever)and then, almost in the same breath switched to the topic of Albanian immigrants and started bemoaning the fact that all these terrible foreigners were coming over the border and (oh the horror) becoming legal immigrants with voting rights. It was then that I understood that I was in a BALKAN country, and there is nothing Balkan people hate more than other Balkan peoples and, of course, the Turks. Whenever conversation turned to the Turks my liberal, educated Greek friends suddenly turned into medieval peasants. They seemed to regard it as almost obscene that I was curious to see some fragments of Islamic architecture in Thessaloniki. The city itself seems to treat the entire Ottoman period as if it didn't happen. There is a museum of ancient treasure, a museum of the liberation (from the Turks), a museum of Byzantine art, but the Ottoman period has been erased. As for the recent history of the population exchange...hoho, a bit more recent than I realised, I soon discovered. They treat it as if it happened yesterday. They speak of Istanbul as if it was only taken by the Turks last week, rather than in 1453. They want revenge....still!
So, a place of contradictions. On the one hand sophisticated, outward looking and liberal; on the other hand poisoned by primitive religious hatred and nationalism. Interesting though.
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Date: 2007-11-12 06:05 pm (UTC)I must confess I want some revenge against the Turks too. The day before Constantinople fell, there probably existed mss. of the complete works of Sappho and Sophoclese, of the Dialogoues of Aristotle and other such triffles (to say nothing of books I'd actually like to work with such as Eubulus' allegeorical exposition of the symbolism of the cult of Mithras or Greek magical books free of Egyptian influence), but the day after they did not.
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Date: 2007-11-12 06:26 pm (UTC)But really, the Greeks and Bulgarians and other orthodox balkans had an easy ride by the standards of the era. Their languages, religion and most of their religious buildings were left alone by the Ottoman Empire, which was an ethnically diverse, culturally rich entity, if politically backward. Compare this with the genocide and forced conversions of Jews and Muslims that took place in Spain. This is all lost on the present-day balkan nationalists, of course, who see themselves as the historical victims of Islam.
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Date: 2007-11-14 07:48 pm (UTC)BTW, I've added some pics I took in Greece to my LJ.
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